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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby tite on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:14 am

Abdul9 wrote:Its actually very simple, Ichigo had his shinigami powers since he was little but it was like sealed. His spiritual pressure on the other hand was overflowing and this was one of the curses of his mother's death. All Rukia did was undo the seal, this is why Ichigo was able to absorb all her shinigami powers, mind you he was not able to absorb sudino shirayuki cos she's a part of Rukia, meaning he was caring Zangetsu all the time but didn't realize it. If you recall his innerhollow is a part of Zangetsu which means the more he uses his mask, the more he is able to use Zangetsu in Bankai properly. This means he is mastering Zangetsu little by little after using the mask. Its like a circle he is mastering Zangetsu with the mask and at the same time he is absorbing some of the spiritual particles in heucomundo as a hollow. He doesn't have to worry about his hollow taking over his body cos at the time Ulquira punched a hole in his chest, he was still willing to fight, meaning he still beleived he could beat Ulquiora and when he heard Innohe's voice, all he could think about is how to save her and that was the only reason he stood back again and defeated Ulquiora and dont forget what Zangetsu told him once (I am ready to lend you any knid of strenght if you wouldn't make it rain in this world). It only rains in Ichigo's inner world if he despairs.

To some degree, yes. However we don't really know what Rukia released in Ichigo. We only know that he has always had vast reiatsu. Grand Fisher says that ichigo is full blood. Now, what does that mean. We can discern that some (if not all) of his true shinigami powers come from Isshin. But, we don't really know anything about Masaki yet. If Ichigo is truly "full blood", what does this mean, and more importantly, what (if any) role does Masaki play in Ichigo's power. Before Ichigo met Rukia he displayed power, so we don't know that she necessarily broke any seal, or if she just helped awaken any dormant ability (the same way Ichigo has for Sado and Inoue). I agree about the Sode No Shirayuki part, but that doesn't mean anything when it comes to Zangetsu. Ichigo possibly has been carrying Zangetsu within himself form the start, similar to the way it has been told of Hitsugaya hearing Hiyourinmaru's voice before he became a Shinigami. Shirosaki said he was a part of Zangetsu, but we don't know that this is true. Both Ogihci and Zangetsu are obviously part of Ichigo's soul, but nothing else verifies that one is necessarily a part of the other. Zangetsu himself has never confirmed that Shirosaki is a part of him. So, your logic in saying that by using the mask, Ichigo is also mastering Zangetsu really has no foundation. Not only that, but Ogihci says on several occasions that he only wants Ichigo's body, so Ichigo most definitely has to worry about being taken over by his hollow. I don't understand your thought process at all in that statement. Yes, Ichigo wants to protect Orihime, but he wants to protect his other friend as well. Yet, he attacked Ishida. When Ulqi punched a hole in his chest, Ichigo came back in a complete hollow form. Ichi admitted himself that he did not win the fight, it was his hollow (taking over) and wants his limbs cut off to make it even. So, what do you mean, he doesn't need to worry about his hollow taking over? I know this i a filler arc in the anime, but Kubo did have a part in it. If Shirosaki and Zangetsu are of the same being, why was only Zangetsu pulled out of Ichigo by Muramasa? Yes, it may only rain when Ichigo is in despair, but look at the circumstances. Who wouldn't despair, and Zangetsu still lends his strength in those times. Like somebody and Zero said, the SS arc and HM arc are Ichigo trying to learn how to control shinigami and hollow powers respectively and individually. The question now is will Ichigo be able to unite those powers, and if so how? He still has not mastered bankai (Zangetsu) fully, and he obviously may not even have control over his hollow (remember he left the Vizard training early due to what happened with Inoue). So, the first half of your statement makes some sense, but the rest, I have no idea what you are basing that on.

@Zero: Check out the new spoilers, it confirms what you say even more.
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby somebody on Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:16 pm

Oh no tite you are tempting me... I hate looking at the spoilers, they ruin everything. I'm just too impatient! Blah.

Zero-Legacy wrote:Now you say ichigo's second mask.. to some form i do not believe ichigo has complete control over this. If you read the latest manga, you would see ichigo's face is kinda.. evil, not like it usually is. So my theory with this is, that when this mask is used, both personalities of ichigo and the hollow (perhaps even zangetsu) are merged some-what, which could bring about a new way of thinking, and acting.


Zero I cut off some of your post b/c I agree w/ what you said & think your theory is good. But I'd be glad if Ichigo could adapt what he wants to what Shirosai wants! If Ichigo tried to get strong for the sake of getting strong, maybe his hollow would cooperate with him more. Also, it would give Ichigo an incentive to become stronger than Aizen, and give him a real goal to strive for. Alone, he only wants to protect his friends and go to school in the meantime. If he could merge his interests with Shirosaki's it would be amazing, because that would mean Ichigo would stop being lame and having no direction.
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby wakachukie on Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:38 pm

But on a humanity/emotional level, I am kindof glad that Ichigo is still basing his actions on defending his friends. Sure he could otherwise become gmod almighty, but what kind of character would he end the series as? Aizen?
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby Judaime on Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:43 pm

well i gotta say that if his hollow was cooperating with him he be in his super hollow form, meaning he be badass but wouldnt that take away alot of meaning the whole anime would change..ichigo is ichigo the main reason why we should think about his why and how did isshin meet ichigos mom and ect we all know that urahara and isshin and them all know each other but why block ichigo reiatsu besides it was super strong? and i forgot when episode but i think here is like a queen hollow XD thats just my theory or ever think if there was ichigo mom could be the queen hollow hence giving ichigo powers like that?
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby tite on Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:00 pm

wakachukie wrote:But on a humanity/emotional level, I am kindof glad that Ichigo is still basing his actions on defending his friends. Sure he could otherwise become gmod almighty, but what kind of character would he end the series as? Aizen?

That's the dichotomy and ultimate question, waka. You hit the nail on the head. Is Ichigo, ultimately, becoming the very thing he is trying to avoid? (It was stated in the Bount arc as well, although that was filler). Further, is his attempt to avoid such a fate pushing him toward it even more?
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby wakachukie on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:10 pm

Will you people PLEASE stop calling Ichigo's mom a hollow?

Just stop!
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby tite on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:16 pm

I think only somebody suggested that theory.

EDIT: Sorry I just read Judaime's post. I guess I was posting at the same time. I sincerely doubt that. My reasons are in a previous post.
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby whitedove109 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:46 pm

sorry i only read wat was on this page b/c the posts are sooo long :? so if i say something thats been said before dont get mad :)

but anyways...

tite wrote:That's the dichotomy and ultimate question, waka. You hit the nail on the head. Is Ichigo, ultimately, becoming the very thing he is trying to avoid? Further, is his attempt to avoid such a fate pushing him toward it even more?


I think he is becoming more like a hollow :| even rukia and ulqui (while they were fighting) gives hints towards it! this changes some things! and to answer your second question yes, b/c the more you avoid something the more it haunts you...he made the same mistake earlier in the series before becoming a vizard!
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby lefon1081 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:05 pm

Hello All,
I may be way off but i remember in an old episode or maybe one of the movies some Shinigami were talking about the 4 great houses of nobles and how the 4th was lost or something i think he is the heir to that house and he has yet to discover his true powers..kinda scary thought...Perhaps his mother was the queen of that house she was mysterious and beautiful. Perhaps that is why his father is an ex-shinigami in disquise raising a family in the real world he knew who his wife was. Perhaps Uruhara knows something too. If i'm wrong about the 4th great house let me know..But he truly has unique powers and is able to adapt and blend them in ways that allows him to overcome foes that are more experienced and battle trained than him but he is a natural and just more talented than even more polished opponents. Whoever he fights ends off biting off more than they can chew..Every one in the series gets a sense that there is something unique and stranger about Ichigo but I think its only the beginning of what he will become for good or worse. He is simply destined for greatness and has very "noble" beliefs about friends and doing what is right no matter the circumstances.
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Re: Ichigo's Powers *theories*

Postby Zero-Legacy on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:04 pm

Well from what i read from the spoiler, if it is correct, then the hollow inside ichigo has realised more of its power. Which, ichigo is attempting to use, but, i still do not think this is 100% ichigo in control.

Now, im going to give a prediction for when ichigo verses Aizen.

Hollow ichigo WILL take over, simply because ichigo will want to get stronger, to protect the ones he cares about, however he does not realise the stronger he becomes, the stronger the hollow becomes. WIthout the hollow being "Sealed" in some form, the hollow can and will gain power to take over ichigo's body. Now i personally do not think ichigo can defeat Aizen, its just not going to happen. He thinks about his fights too much and tries to choose an appropriate action, and then there's Aizen illusion technique, which works on all shinigami. In the end, even with the mask, ichigo is still a shinigami. The hollow taking complete control over ichigo's body, would naturally turn it into a hollow-body, becoming immune to Aizen's ability, which takes away one thing less to worry about.

Now, hollow ichigo has a different fighting style, he puts his abilities to more use, he will send off a getsuga tenshon for example, and not stand there waiting for it to hit, he will line up something else ready, as we say in his fight with byakuya, althought it was short, he dominated byakuya like it was nothing. I find the same thing will happen to Aizen, unless he pulls out his own mask, because he will not be able to match hollow ichigo's power nor speed.

And for the sake of it, we all know Aizen will have a hollow inside himself.. because come on, he likes power, it will grant him alot of power, and who knows.. perhaps he has some way to merge his zanpukto with the hollow to make his illusion affective against hollows?

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